Hani Miletski's Chat Logs

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• Tammy shouts — Can I have everyone’s attention in the forest please?
• Tammy shouts — I’ m going to be moderating tonight
• Active says — Moderate away, Tam :)
• Tammy shouts — Those of you planning on attending the thing with Hani, please come down here
• Tammy says — Okay. Beverly has asked me to moderate tonight. The purpose for this visit, as I

understand, is for Hani to tell us about her research and then for her to answer questions.

• Black says — what kind of research?
• Tammy says — I’ m going to find that out along with you all
• Active says — So she’s not looking for information from us?
• Strong says — Not at this time.
• Tammy says — this is not going to be a one on one thing, not at this time.
• Active says — Interesting.
• Tammy says — but she would like to have contact with some people here.
• Satyr says — This is a meeting to allow us to meet her and understand what she is trying to

do/research.

• Tammy shouts — Can I have everyone’s attention in the forest please?

Doggie says — No! Active listens. Kevin wows at Doggie Tammy pokes Doggie :) Mike nods Whitedog says — It’s only a little report, Active. Nothing’s going to be published. Active says — Oh? Tussle walks in SIGN ON — HANI MILETSKI, MSW Active says — Hi Hani! Satyr says — Heya Hani :) Thrill lifts Kevin up... “ can you see?” Tammy says — Hi Hani Jim tacklehugs Hani Black says — Hi Hani Mike says — hello then :) Alex says — hi Hani Foxi says — Hi Hani Tussle spyhops Satyr says — Welcome to the Forest, or “ total chaos” as it sometimes is ;) Troy says — hi all Tammy says — I am explaining what’s going on to everyone. My name is Tammy, and I will try to moderate tonight. I would like to use the same method as we did for other meetings... talking one at a time, and if you wish to talk, use a 🐾 to indicate that. Cocco says — hello everyone Tammy says — Kevin, can you keep track of who is next to talk for me? Kevin says — okay, let me get some scritch paper Urge splashes Race Horse Jim thwapples Race Horse gently Axiom says — Hi Active Redcow sits and moos Craig walks in Prince appears from nowhere! Mic walks in Littlehorse walks in Full walks in Mic grabs the couch Zoro walks in Mike sits next to Mic Foxi says — eekk, what a crowded hallway! Alex snags a spot on the couch Foxi sits by Mic Whitedog lays on Mike and Mic :) Beverly says — okay, people, Hani isn’ t used to the net, so don’ t spam her, please. Full eats outa his feeder Word walks in Active nods Redcow lies down and ruminates... Jim finds a piece of carpet to lay on, and pulls Race Horse down on top of him, skritching his tummy Active grins Dolphin reads the message board. Race Horse yeeeps and stretches on Jim, “ Mmmmmmm!” Tammy says — While Hani is talking, please do not interrupt. Hani says — Hi everybody. Just wanted to let you know that it’s my first time on the net and I’ m very slow at this, so please be patient. Do you have any questions for me? Black says — hi Hani Mike says — hello Hani :) Active says — Hi Hani Holland bids you all good morning! Foxi says — Hi Hani Dolphin says — Hello Hani! Tammy says — Welcome Hani Mic says — hi Hani Doggie says — hi Hani. We spoke on der phone Prince says — howdy! Alex says — greetings Hani Satyr bows in greeting to Hani Jim waves Littlehorse says — hi, we spoke Trouble clicks hello! :) Race Horse bows, “ Hello Hani. I’ m a complete stranger.” Whitedog waves to Hani. Then sits and pays attention. Littlehorse says — 🐾 Sheep knocks on the door Holland says — Hani, what is the purpose of your study? What do you hope to get out of it? Crocodile appears from nowhere! Hani says — Basically, I want to get all the info. I can get about bestiality and zoophilia, and more specifically if this is a form of sexual orientation. Active says — 🐾 Jim says — 🐾 Dog appears form nowhere! Wolfie arrives in a blinding flash! Kevin says — Littlehorse is next Satyr says — 🐾 Doggie says — 🐾 Littlehorse says — okay, could you tell us where besides here you find sources of information? Or put differently, are all your sources Internet typoes of one sort or another? Prince says — 🐾 Horselover walks in Lamb walks in Hani says — I am hoping to get all of your cooperation in that, so that you tell others who are not connected to the net about me. Littlehorse says — okay, thanks Kevin says — Active is next Active says — I don’ t think there’s any question that zooness is a sexual orientation, like being hetero or gay or bi. Race Horse says — 🐾 Dolphin is ignoring everyone. Hani says — but I don’ t think other people know that (I don’ t know that either, but I hope to find out) Dolphin is now listening Active nods and says — That’s part of the problem: they think we do it because we can’ t get a human:) Hani says — right. I get a lot of that from people who have no idea about the subject. Tammy says — 🐾 Burro walks in Mike says — 🐾 Kevin says — Jim is next Jim says — I just wanted to make a clarification; when you say “sexual orientation” you are saying in contrast to a kink, or sexual behavior, like bondage/frottage/etc... So, in your research you are trying to determine if zoophilia is in fact an orientation and not just a kink? Hani says — Yes, a sexual orientation like homosexuality. Pony says — 🐾 Littlehorse says — 🐾 Mic says — 🐾 Kevin says — Satyr is next Satyr takes a deep breath and says — I think we would all like to get a little background as to why you are gathering this information. What is already out there on the subject, and what do you hope to contribute to the psychological community by doing this study? I know you’re planning on putting together a rather lengthy questionnaire for those who choose to partake in the study. Do you have any ideas as to what its content will be? Satyr yields the floor Hani says — I know there is not a lot out there, and that’s why I want to do something about it. The questionnaire will probably be long, and will include questions about your sex life, as well as questions about your life in general, such as level of education, age, etc. I will have questions with different options for you to choose from, and I will also allow you to elaborate on your feelings, thoughts, and experiences, so that I can get more info. Satyr nods and thanks Hani Star walks in Active says — 🐾 Moo arrives in a blinding flash! Wolf walks in Prince says — that was my question. I was curious as to when you...oops, sorry... Kevin tickles Prince ;) Fortune walks in Kevin nods to Doggie and says — Doggie is next Doggie says — thanks. Are the study results to be widely published in some form? Might it mean a change of term from zoophilie to something like zoosexual which indicates an orientation rather than a mental illness? Yields der floor. Hani says — I don’ t know. Haven’ t thought about it. I am hoping to have enough info. to be able to publish it in a book. Doggie says — thank you. Kevin tickles Doggie — limit your questions silly ;) Breath knocks on the door and walks in Fortune curls up quietly on the floor... Hani says — next question Redcow says — 🐾 Kevin hands the microphone to Prince Prince says — I’ m a professor of photography. I will be happy to do the illustrations, Hani 🐾laughs🐾... seriously, your form sounds interesting. When will they be available and how do we get them? Thank you. Hani says — good question. It will probably be ready, hopefully, before the summer. I need you to call me at (202) 659-4938, to tell me how can I send it to you, since I have no regular access to the net. If anyone is long distance, you can call me, and I’ ll call you right back, so don’ t worry about the charges. Even if you are in a different country. Black says — 🐾 Holland says — 🐾 Active says — 🐾 Word reads the mail Kevin says — Race Horse, your turn Race Horse walks up to the mic and baps it on his head. “ Ow.” Tammy smiles Fortune smiles Hani says — Hani too (I’ m starting to get the hang of this). Two knocks on the door Foxi perks her ears Race Horse says — insomuch as zoophilia being considered a sexuality, I do agree that it is. But I think it is vastly different from homosexuality on a few points. In my experience, the majority of zoophiles or zoosexuals, whatever you call it, had mostly environmental factors that made them that way, for the most part. I imagine all of us have an “ affinity” toward animals. But by and large, I suspect most here grew up spending much time alone, and turned to non-humans as a means of support and friendship. To many of us, it seems only logical to take that a step further and extend those relationships into the areas of intimacy. More and more it seems homosexuality is becoming linked to genetics. This may be true of zoophiles to a degree, but only marginally. Hani says — everything is possible. I hope to find out more about it in the future. Race Horse says — a person may have had an abusive family, for instance, and formed a relationship with his dog. Hani says — right! That’s why this will be one of my questions in the questionnaire. Fortune nods Race Horse says — I think you’ ll find scenarios like this abundant when you talk to the rest of us. Tammy says — thanks Race Horse Race Horse is finished, now that his face is blue. Spike walks in Black applauds Crocodile says — 🐾 Kevin passes the mic to Lamb Lamb says — is your research going to look at the zoophiles’ other relationships as well? I’ m currently in a relationship and have told her about my interests. It worked out well for me, but others were not so lucky. Hani says — yes. I’ m happy for you. It must have been difficult for you. Moo smiles Tammy says — Hani, many of my friends here are very concerned about privacy. What kind of guarantees do they have this will all be in confidence? And can we work together to set up something so that their privacy can be maintained? I mean like a go between... or something. Oh, one more... are you interested in zoo-friendly’s? Hani says — Well, the questionnaire is anonymous. I am not going to include any personal info. on you in my study. All I need is a name and an address to send it to you. When you send it back you don’ t have to put your address on. (Beverly, who is sitting next to me, is telling me that Tammy is not a zoo, but a “ zoo-friendly.” She likes to hang out with zoos and help them when they need her help). The people who qualify for my study are those who have had sexual contact with animals! Sorry. Tammy says — you understand, Hani, that many people here can be arrested for this. Maybe the form can be made available electronically on one of the zoo sites? Hani says — the problem with that is that I will have no idea who was the respondent, and I can get people who just played a trick on me. Tammy says — I could be an intermediary, if people trusted me... Doggie says — 🐾 Moo says — 🐾 Whitedog says — 🐾 Two says — 🐾 Full says — 🐾 Alex grins Active says — 🐾 Ron says — 🐾 Woof goes to the forest Goat goes to the forest Kevin says — okay, the list is over 17 long now. Trouble is next, but Black has to leave soon. Tammy says — Black... Black says — is the research you do here going to be used as part of any graduate work? And for what specific purpose? Hani says — I am a doctoral student in human sexuality. This is my dissertation research. Black waves bye to everyone and says — okay, thank you Hani says — bye Dogman arrives in a blinding flash! GW appears from nowhere! Mike says — what prompted you to do this research? Hani says — I am a psychotherapist in my profession. I have a client who is a zoo, and I was trying to get some literature for him, but found almost nothing. So I figured that this subject needs to be researched and published. Mike smiles. “ Thank you” :) Wildlife walks in. Trouble says — two parts: 1. What specific research question do you want to answer, or are you just gathering general information about zoophilia? Hani says — generally, both. Specifically, is there such a thing as a sexual orientation toward animals? Trouble says — 2. How do you plan to address the obvious bias that 🐾we🐾 as power computer users, are just a subset of the total zoo community? Hani says — I know, that’s a problem. I will have to address that in my dissertation as a limitation of my study. But, I am hoping to get people who are not in the net as well. Trouble hopes so too and yields the floor Sunshine walks in Pony says — is it your goal to attempt an origin theory on zoophilia, or the coping mechanisms that various zoos have developed in order to function within society? Hani says — I guess both. It will be great if I can get the answers to all of that. Pony says — can I squeeze in another one? Hani says — a ha Pony says — what are your current beliefs about the origin of zoophilia: biological, psychological, or sociological? Hani says — currently I have no actual beliefs. I don’ t want to get into this research project with biases. Moo nods Lamb says — good answer :) Hani says — thanks. Who’s next? Mic says — sorry, Hani, I’ m confused. So far, it seems that you are only gathering information. You have not formulated any specific question which you are trying to answer. I do not think that I want to be involved in just an information gathering without knowing to what end the information I give will be used. Hani says — basically yes. But, I said earlier that I am trying to find out if there is a sexual orientation toward animals. Mic says — of course there is, or we wouldn’ t be here :) Hani says — I believe that whatever I find will be important and worthwhile, since most people have no clue about this subject, including psychotherapists who are supposed to help people deal with that. Mic says — help people deal with what? What do you mean by “ deal with it.” ? Tammy says — Mic, there are many issues to be “ dealt with.” I’ m sure Hani is not saying it is wrong Mic says — sorry, but I do not feel like I am getting solid answers GW nods in agreement Hani says — with their struggles. I know that a lot of you thought at one point or another that you are the only one, and that something is wrong with you, and there was no one to talk to about it, and nothing to read... So I think it is important to get people to know more, and not be judgmental. Mic says — okay. Then that would be a purpose that I would be willing to participate in. I yield. Hani says — great. Thanks! Tammy says — just an FYI, I’ ve discussed zoophilia with my therapist, she knew nothing about it. Mike says — 🐾 Blackhorse walks in Active says — okay, here it goes, this is going to be long. First, I think I speak for the majority when I say I do not approve of asking zoos for a mailing address, under any circumstances, even if you don’ t connect the answers to the individual respondents. Sorry to come so hard, but using snail mail is extremely dangerous for items of a sexual nature, especially where that nature is illegal in some areas. Sending bestiality information, even a survey response, through the mail can be a Federal offense, so everyone who replies may become a criminal. I second Tam’s recommendation that you make the form available at one or more of the more popular zoo web pages. This should make distribution easy and very safe. Those of us with zoo friends not connected to the net can pass the info along by ourselves and relay it via email through a trusted intermediary. As for people who play a trick on you, that’ ll happen no matter what method you use for gathering the data. Masters and Johnson faced it, and so did Margaret Mead. It simply goes with the territory. Sex is prone to pranksters. And for the record, I never thought there was anything “ wrong” with me :) Finally, in more mundane matters, have you read “ the Horseman” by Mark Matthews? I haven’ t read it myself, but it is highly recommended. Race Horse grabs a bucket of popcorn Hani says — well, first, please don’ t write so much at one time... I’ m a slow reader :) Active apologizes — I’ m leaving soon, so I threw up my queue all at once :) Hani says — I read the book, and even talked to the author. This was one of the things that inspired me to do the research. I already have about 20 people who have given me their addresses. I know it is dangerous, but if you don’ t put your address, the police can only arrest me. Active says — but if someone wanted to compile a list of zoos, this is how one would do it. In order to receive a form, one must send out an address, so the list compiler knows at least you’re a zoo. Hani says — I highly doubt that anyone is going to open the mail. Also, I send you the questionnaire, and when you send it back, no one knows who it is from. I promise not to give out and not to use the list I have in any form or shape. I don’ t know what else I can tell you. Beverly says — if she was to give out personal information after gathering it into a list, she would be censured by her university. No reputable researcher gives out personal information on subjects Mike nods Hani says — and I will also loose my credentials as a psychotherapist Breath says — and our name would be prisoner 9243b Blackhorse says — hehe Active turns on his total paranoia mode — if you are really a researcher and not a Fed. Sorry, it had to be said. Paranoia mode off :( Foxi grins Active now yields the floor. Promise :) Kevin tickles Active, mainly cause it’s fun ;) Beverly says — I look around Hani’s room, at the literature and documentation already gathered on the subject, and wonder if Hani could really be a Fed. I don’ t think so. Hani says — thanks. World walks in Doggie says — 🐾 Foxi says — 🐾 Deer walks in Copy arrives in a blinding flash! Full says — 🐾 Redcow says — are the questionnaires going to be given to non-zoos for comparison? How are you going to compare the question results? Hani says — that’s a very good idea. I’ ll have to talk to my committee members about it. Redcow says — Will it be qualitative or quantitative? Will questions be leading? Will you use open or closed answers? Hani says — both. I’ ll have open-ended questions as well as multiple choice ones. Redcow says — will you take into account the socio-economic factors? And even geographical location? Age? Sex? Etc. Hani says — yes, all of the above. Redcow says — how will you present them to the subject? Hani says — what do you mean? Redcow says — well, do you ask your subject about economics, or do you use census data? Hani says — I ask. Probably will give a few options to choose from. Redcow says — sorry, you seem to have misunderstood. Are you going to find further data about the subject from previous surveys, using say their address to find their socio-economic class. Also, have you had any papers published in journals etc. before? Hani says — I will have to look at other studies, but I don’ t think anyone has studied it before, at least as far as I know. I will only use the info you give me. Im not going to spy on you in any other way. I don’ t even ask questions on the phone when people call me. And I have not yet published anything, but my master’s thesis is going to be published probably in January. Redcow says — 2 last questions. Very short, are you going to look at the species of animal the subject likes, and the age at which they started? Hani says — Sure. That’s very important info. Tammy says — good questions Redcow Jim says — there is only a tiny amount of literature out there on the topic, and what there is of it is largely outdated... so Hani has a job cut out for her, due to the scarcity of prior work. I’ m not sure she’s even gotten a chance to formulate the kinds of questions she wants to ask. This is going to be a very big synthesis. Ball walks in Kevin notes — the list: Holland, Breath, Doggie, Moo, Two, Full, Ron, Mini, Kevin, Mike, Foxi, Sunshine, so you can all know who is in front of you and get ready :-) Holland stands up clears his throat and says — just want to know, in the UK, are you going to snail mail the questionnaires over to us? Also, what sort of time do you accept phone calls bearing in mind our time difference. Is the questionnaire going to be based in a sexual context? Or will there be an emotional content as well. For instance, to me, sex is not the only consideration. It covers the whole spectrum just like in human relationships. Hani says — yes, I’ ll have to send it by regular mail. I am going to ask about the emotional aspect as well, cause this is part of it, as far as I understand. Copy nods Holland says — my overriding concern is my horse’s happiness, not my own. I’ ll do anything for that. Moo smiles at Holland Mike nods enthusiastically Hani says — there’s 6 hours difference between DC and UK. So just calculate the time, whenever you want Holland says — Hani, and you’ ll call back to the UK??? That’s expensive. Hani says — sure I’ ll call!!! Mike says — cool :) Tammy says — okay Holland? Holland says — umm... I think those bits about the emotional aspects and such was it. Tammy says — Breath is next Kevin suddenly notes the absence of a microphone in his hand!! Giggles Tammy says — oops! Did I mess up? Tammy sits back and lets Kevin do his job — sorry :) Breath says — the thing that worries me the most is the anonymity. Let me get this right, you want me to give my entire address to a complete stranger about a subject which is completely illegal in the UK and carries a maximum penalty of life sentence for an unclear advantage? Hani says — I know I am asking you to trust me and you don’ t even know me. I’ m asking a lot, but what else can I do? Tammy says — you are with two people we do trust, Hani. I’ m sure we can figure something out. Hani says — thanks Tammy Breath says — make the form available via a web site or send it out via... What do you hope to actually achieve with this whole thing? Who will be able to see it? The general public? The psychiatry community? Or just a few professors in a small university? Hani says — currently I am not connected to the net, so that’s a problem. We’ ll see. I’ m hoping to publish it as a book, and have in mind to make presentations to professionals in various conferences. Littlehorse is satisfied and will answer the questionnaire when it appears Hani says — thank you Littlehorse Breath is afraid he’s not going to touch this. Sounds too fishy to him Hani says — why Breath? Tammy says — everyone is entitled to their own opinion Hani says — true, but still, I need as many people as I can get. The more people I have, the more credible the study will be Breath says — exactly, and my opinion is that I am not going to give my home address to anyone I don’ t know real well, or without a good reason. Who’s to say that Hani is not someone collecting addresses of zoos for various reasons. Ours is not a simple life. People would see us persecuted at every chance. And why the curiosity over this subject in particular? Is there a reason? Hani says — I understand you. That’s why I want you to call me, so you may get to know me better. I explained earlier. Tammy says — she has gone over that. I’ m recording and will make the file available Breath says — sorry, I didn’ t see that Hani says — that’s okay. Feel free to call me Breath says — why don’ t you just conduct some interviews here? Lock a room and interview people. Anonymous and easy. Tammy says — she has no net access Breath says — how is she here now then? Beverly says — we came over to her house with a laptop and signed on through our account Breath sits down and listens Breath says — Beverly is with her in real life? Tammy says — yes Breath didn’ t know this fact :) Beverly says — we are here, it’s our computer, and we trust Hani Breath would have been a lot more chilled out had someone told him this Hani says — that’s okay. I’ m glad you are with us Race Horse says — I’ m sorry Hani. I don’ t think I can trust you. I think you’re an alien from Dimension X Tammy says — let’s let Hani continue with her answers Doggie says — I believe Hani is a medical professional bound by rules of ethics/client confidentiality. Those concerned about their address should use a P.O. Box, or not participate, perhaps. Email/second party and web pages can be meddled with. Test is not illegal to mail, or “ The Horseman” could never be mailed. Overseas mail coming in to the US is subject to search at customs. Moo waits patiently for his turn Kevin passes the mic over Moo says — first of all I’ m hoping you’ ll realize how important it is for you to make this available to as many as possible, through whatever means possible. We treasure our anonymity dearly and we must protect ourselves foremost. I’ m wondering how many different ways you’re going to crossreference the data. There are a lot of demographics to consider: those who are straight/bi/gay with people. Those who aren’ t involved with people at all, those who are married/divorced/re-married, race,religion, present age, “starting” age, animal of choice, etc. Are you just going to look for commonalities and then go from there? I’ m just wondering if you’ ll put more importance behind the statistics or from personal anecdotes? Cause I believe that you may learn a lot more from talking to us as opposed to just getting us to list off answers to questions. Mike nods GW nods too and says — good question Moo Hani says — I am hoping to get qualitative as well as quantitative info, and the questionnaire will probably be long Moo says — alright. Willya accept a collect call on Monday? :) Hani says — yes! Please! Moo smiles and gets his dialing finger ready ;) Horselover says — 🐾 Two says — I would like to add to the “ orientation” question first. Yes, I think there is definitely a sexual orientation toward animals, be it genetic or learned. I am as much aroused by my mares as my wife, and sometimes will drift off and remember past encounters. Second, one thing at least for me is the lack of false pretenses with all animals. Face it, humans will lie. If you do something an animal doesn’ t like, you will know, as you will know if you do something they like. I have spent many hours just scratching an itchy spot and have seen a look that means “I really like that.” Tammy says — Two, do you have a question Hani can answer for you? Two says — uh, guess not. Tammy smiles at Two and says — you will have time to chat with Hani on the phone. Active says — 🐾 Copy says — 🐾 Ron, looking at the big picture, wonders if Hani’s research is aimed at pulling zoophilia back into the realm of normal sexuality, where it was once before, or further define it as a perversion that does not produce children to further the ideology of our society. Hani says — I have no such aim. My intention is to provide objective data so that people will know about zoophilia and maybe understand it better. I will have to analyze all the findings and put it in some form in my dissertation, and afterwards in my future book. I am still in the beginning process of my work, so it will take some time, and a lot of work... Race Horse expects a full report, with cover and illustrations on his desk tomorrow. Fur appears from nowhere! Pope appears from nowhere! Doggie says — 🐾 Kevin sits on Race Horse Pope laughs Kevin smiles Race Horse winks at Hani Mini says — Hani, please forgive if I sound stern in what I say, no disrespect is intended, and please excuse my slow typing. First, I saw you mention “ committee.” Will these people be privy to the personal info that I give you, should I decide to do so? How many others, besides yourself will be privy to that info? Hani says — no one. Just me Mini says — I do not mean to sound paranoid, but... Hani says — I understand Race Horse says — Hani no esta los federales Mini says — these people here are my family. I love them all, and am fearful of this whole thing. But Beverly seems to trust you, and so will I. Mike smiles Hani says — thanks Mini says — but please understand my and others fear Hani says — I do Mini says — thank you. Sorry for rehashing an old question Hani says — that’s fine :) Tammy hugs Mini tightly Race Horse huggles Mini too Ron grins and hugs Mini tightly Strong says — 🐾 Kevin says — at the start you mentioned that the reason you are doing this at all is a result of a patient of yours. I know that you can’ t tell us who the patient is, but I might be so bold as to say that there are many folks here who have found “ acceptance” here, online. It might be a thought for your patient to “ come here” sometimes. They could, of course, be anonymous unless they chose to say anything about it. Hani says — I know. I’ ll keep that in mind Race Horse notes that the “ acceptance” found here is a double edged sword. It ain’ t always a bouquet of roses. Kevin says — that’s it. And I’ ll be calling you sometime Hani says — thanks Sunshine says — would you send several questionnaires to New Zealand, as I know some here that would fill them out? Hani says — yes, but I would like to talk to you on the phone first. Call me and I’ ll call you back. Horselover says — I’ ve been discussing mailing the questionnaire with an Australian Customs Officer, and in her off-duty opinion, it’s unlikely that any harm would come to 🐾me🐾 sending the response. But text on bestiality, with details, is a prohibited import everywhere she knows about. Hani says — I know, I’ m the only one at risk Horselover says — so, effectively, Hani, I would be getting 🐾you🐾 to break the law by answering your questions in detail. How are you going to deal with it in the small chance that someone does check the mail. Jim says — but it could be reasonably argued that it’s not erotica Pope wonders if the academic nature of the material wouldn’ t protect it Hani says — Jim and Pope are probably right, hopefully :) Polo appears from nowhere! Bobby walks in Kevin nuzzles Bobby Copy says — did anyone ask if repression because of religion becomes involved for the person, and the ramifications of that and on altered social behavior for not being who you are and what outlets does this altered behavior take? Is this going to be contained in the report? Hani says — these are all good ideas for questions. Thank you. Copy says — Also, are you going to include, for those of us who are married who’s spouses know about their zoo life, any questions for them? Hani says — no, but I’ ll ask you about it. Copy says — okay. That was it for me. Mustang appears from nowhere! Doggie says — they consider us to be dog rapists who should be castrated and jailed. Bringing out 🐾too🐾 much info publically may make them, the Humane Society, and animal rights groups more aware of an 🐾organized network🐾 with possibly bad consequences. What is Hani’s view on this additional exposure risk? Hani says — that’s a good one. Let me think... Doggie says — people laugh at sex with horses, but get mighty pissed if they think a dog is being abused. Hani says — there are always risks, but I hope that my study will show people the humane side of it, and that it’s not abuse. Strong says — neither Hani nor I nor anyone else pretends there isn’ t some risk here, possibly serious risk. But it is worth noting that I don’ t believe the risk lies with Hani. I pride myself on being an accomplished sniffer of fakes and Feds, and I’ m betting she’s neither. Nevertheless, as you all seem to know, you don’ t have 100% protection. Yes, you will take an enormous risk receiving the questionnaire, and I don’ t think anyone would hold it against you if you chose to abstain from the survey for that very reason. There is more, though. This is also, to some extent, about sacrifice. In taking this risk, you would be contributing to the first ever serious research about zoophilia. Active says — people who don’ t know about places like alt.sex.bestiality and the Forest are probably worse off than any of us. Strong says — this is your chance to make a difference. There is, of course, the distinct possibility that Hani will be an unwilling and/or unwitting participant in an FBI operation. They can tap her phones, search her files, raid her records, on a whim. They can decide to use the information to arrest us all, or just keep it for... a rainy day, as it were. They can, of course, do the same to each of us should they want to badly enough. Of course, I don’ t know what would happen to non-Americans, but I would expect it would be similar in Canada, and possibly the UK. However, that risk has always been present Jim says — I don’ t think the Feds are in the habit of raiding university psych labs. Bobby says — 🐾 Active says — 🐾 Kevin passes the mic over to Bobby Bobby says — quite a few questions related to professional things. First, do you have a pre-approved committee? You cannot conduct psychological research or experimentation without committee approval. It is illegal. Without this approval, your doctoral thesis will be disqualified. Hani says — I already have an approval Bobby says — is the institution accredited, and if so, by who? Beverly says — Hani is looking up the accreditation and will be right back. Good questions! Tammy says — how is she holding up? Beverly says — I’ m more tired than she is. She’s excited about the people being willing to help and this whole new medium. Hani says — I’ m back. The school has full educational approval as a California degree granting institution by the California State Department of Education, Private Post-secondary Education Division Bobby says — okay. Which research model are you using? And what statistical method of tabulation?

• Hani says — It’s too soon. I don’ t know yet. I am still gathering data and trying to find out how many people will volunteer for the research. I have professional researchers who volunteered to help me with it.
• Bobby says — is not trying to give you the 5th degree, just verifying validity :)
• Hani says — I appreciate it
• Active says — Hani, would you consider a chi-square analysis of 90% to be statistically significant?
• Hani says — I have to go back to my statistics books for that one :)
• Active says — okay :)
• Tammy smiles and says — I think this is it
• GW says — 🐾
• Hani says — GW, what was your question?
• GW — I was just wondering if there was anyway I could talk to you outside the usual business hours, as I work and I can’ t talk at work. We are very much monitored.
• Hani says — yes, call me and just leave your number and a good time to catch you, and I’ ll call you.
• GW says — thanks, I appreciate it. And thanks for taking the time to answer one last question
• Hani says — thank you.
• Bobby huggles Hani for her patience
• Whitedog grabs Tammy and does the tango!
• Hani says — and I want to thank everyone for their cooperation and, maybe even, trust in me
• Active says — you’re welcome, Hani
• GW says — you’re welcome, and come back and visit again
• Pope applauds Hani and especially the Wizards for their excellent crowd control
• Mike says — I would like to thank Hani for doing this research project and wish her good luck
• Whitedog says — you’ ll most likely be getting a call from me, Hani
• Active agrees with Whitedog
• GW says — also thanks to Beverly for giving Hani and us an opportunity to talk
• Mike says — I’ ll be calling too
• GW says — Tammy, how long did the meeting run approximately?
• Tammy says — about 250 minutes :)
• Bobby says — wow!
• Hani says — wow!
• GW offers fresh popcorn to everyone
• Mike grabs a donut and fires up the espresso machine
• Hani says — good night everyone. We are going to sleep :)